The peoples seat

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Last year I visited France and stayed with my old exchange student that lived with us for a year. During my time there I noticed that the French were much more passionate about what was affecting them. They would discuss politics and current events with their fiends, parents, shop keepers etc. It seemed everyone was much more clued up compared to our country. My friend could name the heads of state for almost any country I asked and had strong options on all the current issues affecting our planet.

As mentioned in another thread... The Electoral Enrolment Centre survey of New Zealanders has shown an abysmal lack of general knowledge of our political system.
The survey of 524 people showed 55% of Pacific people, 45% of Asians, 41% of Maori and 53% of young people did not know that an election would be held this year.

I think that this alludes to the fact that so many in our society have little idea of what is going on around them. It seems people are more interested in following the tabloids than current events.

I realise that the people using this web page do not fall into the category of oblivious New Zealanders but how many of you can go to work and bring up some of these topics and get an informed response?

Anyone can point out these problems but who has some solutions?

Lets force people to pay attention.

I think that instead of getting rid of the Maori seats lets add one additional seat next election. This seat will be not be elected but will be staffed by every voting New Zealander. Just like this web page, or your secure bank web page, every registered voter will have access to a secure account. On it will be all the topics being debated in parliament. There will be links to relevant information. Forums like this discussing all the current issues. You will be able to cast your vote on up coming bills in advance and log back in and change your mind right up till the deadline. This will give an accurate opinion poll (eliminating media bias and propaganda). You will also be able to check previous votes to maintain integrity of the voting system.

People will be forced to pay better attention to the issues that affect them. The government will also be forced to be more transparent as we will all be looking into every detail of what they are doing and what is passing through legislation. It will also show how accurate the politicians are at doing what is in everyones interest. If the peoples seat votes for something like say GE legislation with 90% disapproval but the government approves it by 60% then they will have a lot to answer to at the next election.

I realise that if people don’t even know that it’s election year then how can we expect them to bother voting on every little detail. My argument is that we have to start somewhere. Someone has to start developing this kind of technology and work out the teething problems. America certainly isn’t going to do it, or do it with integrity! Estonia already casts votes via the internet so there is a framework out there.

The webpage would have so much potential. The more it is used the more effective it becomes. Census data could be obtained and collated easier. All the advertising could be for NZ products. NZ artists could put up their wares for all to see. It could become New Zealands answer to facebook. And like it or not Facebook is the way of the future. Worlds youngest billionaire! Even people that hate the internet get sucked in by their mates.

Access to the internet will be an issue but as the dinosaurs die off and we all start to embrace the internet as the most fundamental tool at our disposal we need to have this ready. We can show the world the future, a society that is clued up and actually listens to everyone instead of just lobbyists.

Is this idea worth pursuing?


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philipwalter Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth
Posts: 14189
04:49 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

the french huh, the only side to be be beaten by both sides in the war.

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philipwalter Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth
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04:54 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

->lets add one additional seat next election

We already have 21 too many at the current 120 FFS

You also have to remember that you vote for the person or party that is most aligned with your ideas, you are voting therefore for their ideas and opinions not yours.

It's not apathy at all, could your French mate name any of the pacific island countries or heads? Or is is they are better served with multiple media companies and newspapers vieing for revenues and providing better information?

The french also have a vastly differnt society to us, they ahve many many more smaller farm, and not mega-farms that we have in NZ, so there is a hightened awareness of agricultural policy for instance amongst the french, since rule changes and subsidies will most affect them (why do you think french farmers are always protesting something or other)

Generate_Why
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05:10 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

The point I want to stress about the French was that they could talk to virtually anyone around them and they would have an opinion on current events.

The French are renowned for their passion. They care deeply about issues that effect them. It’s not just farmers protesting. There is a place in Paris (just outside the Lyon station) that is constantly staging protests about something (when I was there it was teachers wanting better conditions).

We don’t share those traits so how can we make people pay attention to what is happening?

philipwalter Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth
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05:36 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

We don't share those traists because we have a better system of government.

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nextdoor Wellington
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04:59 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Has some interesting possibilities.

But most of the population are apathetic. I doubt most people would use it and I for one would not respect the views cast on a "Peoples Seat" any more than I respect the views expressed in referenda (which is effectively what the seat would become, basically do you agree, yes or no).

The last opinion polls taken before the "antismacking bill" was passed showed around 80 % disagreed with it. But over 90 % of the MPs voted for it.

An idea worth exploring though.

philipwalter Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth
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05:06 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

It wouldn't work because not enough people would "vote" or "contribute" and the opinions could easily be swayed by a vocal few and a dose of on-line bullying and hectoring.

oh wait that could be how uthink is

nextdoor Wellington
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05:08 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Exactly :)

Generate_Why
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05:16 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Of course it wouldn't work well at first (i realise that people aren't ready for it) but gradually people would see the merit in it and enthusiasm would increase. As our society became smarter it could be phased in more. Like more seats.

When we get to the point where people are discussing issues over their morning breaks that is when it would reach fruition.

nextdoor Wellington
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05:39 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

I actually think we are moving in the opposite direction, less and less people care about the world around them, they are totally into themselves.

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Eeek
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05:05 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Dont be too concerned about Philippe's comments GW, he's just fritefully british
(:) but in a very recent survey he found himself a little froggie in bed)

philipwalter Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth
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05:07 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

that is true as well :-)

Eeek
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05:44 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Somehow I dont think GW's quite in the, 'mood tonight. Kiwi guys do get a bit,
heated about polatuks and rugleberry
sweet though............

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meandmybum the antirabidismist
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06:00 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

its not people dont care its they have realised our politicians dont care

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Strike3 the dark side
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06:44 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

I reckon we go Communist. That will shut the bastards up

riotgirl Spuddyville
Posts: 5333
10:21 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

Fuck yeah. But then we'd have to listen to whinging smelly commies

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DAFT Wellington
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10:30 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

It is the reasoned opinion of the DAFT Party that the electoral system is waaaaaaay too complicated. What we would do is make parliament have 10 seats and 11 members. Instead of voting on things we would play musical chairs and the last person to sit down is the winner and their party gets to decide.

We would also install a duck pond in the debating chamber, in the hope that hunters would accidentally wound MP's.

DAFT also endorses apathy in the general population so we do not agree with your idea of forcing people to be politically active. Imagine if more people cared about stuff that happens in the Beehive, we would probably be hamstrung with all the opinions of serious people.

The DAFT Party also endorses John Key's idea about getting more fiber into homes. We believe that regular bowel movements are important and that NZ can only benefit from more shit in the political system.

Feminist Ich mag Deinen Bart
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11:07 p.m. Tuesday May 6, 2008

I'm voting DAFT in the next election. Seriously.

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